The Road to Potters Pond – GC3B

I have been looking at travelling to this cache for some time now. I do believe there are only 3 caches left in the USA/Canada that were placed in August 2000. Two of these caches are in Eastern USA and the third is in Utah.
If one wants to fill their JASMIR Chart then one of these 3 caches will be needed.

The problem with this cache is it is located about 2790 m (9100 ft.) above sea level so snow poses a problem for the major part of the year.

If one travels to this cache too early there is a locked gate about 12 km (8 miles) before the cache. One just has to read the logs to see see the problems many have had trying to get to the starting point for the cache.

I had studied this cache for some time after reading many logs for the last year. I also looked at the map that BlueRajah the Reviewer for the area posted and then the satellite maps as well.
Many talked about taking 2 hours to get to the cache and bushwhacking to the cache.
With the map above I projected it onto a Satellite map and had my way there.

The next problem was when we would do this cache. There had been talk of late September early October when it might be cooler.

It was decided that because of one of the party had to work we could only afford 5 days to drive from Vancouver to Potters Pond return. It was doable we thought.

I learned that there was another caching couple of Tugman and Wifey who have been wanting to do this cache as well and were looking at doing it a week or two after us. It was soon put together that we would team up and do it together. The plan was to leave Saturday morning and return Wednesday at about dinner.

The four of us left early Saturday morning and the stop for the night would be at Mountain Home, Idaho. Part of the problem for this trip would be the temperatures about 38- 41 C.
After crossing the Canada/USA border we headed south to the 405 before taking it and starting our trip east. Along the way we stopped to grab a cache or two.

It was a good thing that we decided and agreed that we would stay in Mountain Home, Idaho and the Mountain Home Inn.
We got there and it was HOT!…..
We checked into the Hotel and then headed out for dinner and did several caches after dinner before retiring for the night.

The next morning we on the road by 8 AM where the plan was to stop briefly in Twin Falls at the Bridge going over the Snake River. I can not stress this that this is worth the stop.

A note here that you can click on any of the following photos to see a larger version of it.

Snake River

View of the Snake River

There is a walkway under the bride offering great views of the Snake River. On the east side it also offers a view of the dirt pile that Evil Knievel used when he jumped the Snake River.

bridge

Base Jumpers jump from this bridge. One can see them packing their chutes for a jump.

The pictures posted here do not do this justice.

We also went down below to do the Virtual cache Centennial Waterfront Park and have a different view of the bridge.

view from below

view from below

View on the way down.

View on the way down.

From here we were soon back on the road to Nephi Utah.

Along the way we would make several more stops for caches and fuel.

Arriving in Nephi we soon found Motel 6 which we had booked before we left for two nights.
I have to say this Motel 6 isn’t your typical Motel 6 because you enter the rooms from the inside.
The first indication there might be a problem was all the old beds piled up in back of the parking lot. The next was after we checked in was the fact we learned the Wi-Fi wasn’t available in the room. Next was the fact we had a renovated room that was only partially painted. Tugman and Wifey had a fridge and Microwave and we didn’t.
I would avoid this Motel 6 till they get it done.

We went to Denny’s for dinner and forgot the fact that one can’t get a beer in this state in Denny’s.

After dinner we went out to do some letterbox caches. There is a power trail in the area with about 250 LetterBox caches. One of the caches was a really neat Virtual called DAUGHTERS OF THE UTAH PIONEERS IN NEPHI CACHE

DAUGHTERS OF THE UTAH PIONEERS IN NEPHI CACHE

DAUGHTERS OF THE UTAH PIONEERS IN NEPHI CACHE


This was followed by another virtual called Old Mill Park Cache

Old Mill Park Cache

Old Mill Park Cache

On Monday morning we left the hotel about 630 AM knowing that it would be about a 90 minute driver to Potters Pond.

We pointed the Escape east on Highway 132 to Moroni and onto 116 to Mount Pleasant where we joined 89 north to Fairview. Once at Fairview we joined Canyon Road ( Highway 31) around. When you approach State Route 264, keep right towards the Klondike cache.
When you get to this cache What’s a Graben? then turn right. This is Millers Flat Road. This road is drive-able in the family car and is also on Google Street view.
I am going to tell you now DO NOT take Skyline Road which looks to be shorter and quicker but this road soon changes and turns to a huge mud pit if there has been any rain.

Arriving at Potters Pond some 80 minutes after we left we stopped at the bathrooms and went looking for the infamous campsite 19. When we arrived 19 had two trailers in it so we parked at the trail head. The GPS indicated that we were about 320 m away from the cache but we read where it had taken some over 2 hours to travel this distance.
We prepared to leave each spraying a good amount of bug juice on each other. The trail was well marked here and we followed it and soon found the infamous log one has to cross. Both Carol and Marg didn’t want to cross the log so Tugman had brought a pair of gumboots along they would use to cross the creek.
Once across we headed off through the clearing and did the letterbox cache and then continued through the clearing and up the mountain. The boots were stored nearby for the return trip.
While we found the trail up and stayed on it I took a track of it and posted it to Open Street maps as well as a photo of it here.

Potters Pond Track to the cache

Potters Pond Track to the cache

Upon getting close to the cache we stopped on a log to rest for the last push to the cache. It was soon discovered that the cache was right where we were resting. While yes the coordinates are out one has to remember this cache was placed 15 years with an older model GPS.

From the time we left the Escape to the time we located the cache was about 50 minutes.

It should be noted that the cache height above sea level should be taken into account when doing this. Nephi is slightly over 5,000 feet up and the affects of the lack of O2 is noticeable for most. Make sure you take water!

Trail Head near Campsite 19

Trail Head near Campsite 19

The crossing

The crossing

The infamous tree

The infamous tree

The cache

The cache

opening up the cache for the first time.

opening up the cache for the first time.

After opening up the cache one of the first things to pop out was a can of bug spray. Very appropriate we thought.

Tugman and Wifey signing the log

Tugman and Wifey signing the log

Wifey looking at the log

Wifey looking at the log

Philatsea - Gong-Show - Tugman and Wifey

Philatsea – Gong-Show – Tugman and Wifey

Tugman and Wifey

Tugman and Wifey

Gong-Show and Philatsea

Gong-Show and Philatsea

The logbooks right from day 1

The logbooks right from day 1

meadow on the way down

meadow on the way down

some of the wild flowers

some of the wild flowers

back we go

back we go

The trip back down to the Escape took us about 25 minutes.

water crossing to campsite 19

water crossing to campsite 19

view of the valley

view of the valley

Oh What A View - Above Fairview Lakes cache

Oh What A View – Above Fairview Lakes cache about 9300 feet up

From here it was back to Nephi and caching along the way doing several Earthcaches, Traditional caches and Letterbox caches.

We decided to concentrate on LetterBox caches string at this cache. This road is in good shape and a car could drive it. While do a string of the letterbox caches we had to cut our trip short due to a Thunder and Lighting storm approaching us. We could start to feel the rain and really didn’t want to get caught out here in this.
Arriving back at the Motel we had logged about 100 caches for the day so far including Potters Pond!
We got cleaned up and headed for dinner across the street.
After dinner we did some more caches north of town finishing up the day with about 115 caches.

On Tuesday morning we started the trip back home with a stop in Salt lake City to do the Virtuals around the Temple. This took us to some very interesting parks. I have to say this is why I love doing these!

This following cache (Gilgal) is one that you would have no idea it was even there unless you had a reason to visit.

Gilgal

Gilgal


It has a lot to do with the Mormon Church and one takes away what they want but the Virtual sure gets you to look.

We stayed in La Grande for the night before proceeding back home today.

There were many more caches along the way home including this view at I Hate I-84, A Nice View cache. It should be noted this is an older cache placed in December 2001.

I Hate I-84, A Nice View

I Hate I-84, A Nice View

Arriving back home around 7:00 PM tonight has brought us full circle, driving some 3800 kms in this time.

We completed this trip June 27th to July 1st 2015.

I could not ask for a better group to do this trip with. I thank Carol, Marg and Malcolm for putting up with me.

I would like to also Thank BlueRajah the Reviewer for posting all the information about getting to this cache.

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BCGA Part 3

I got up this morning to an email from the President of the BCGA.

The tone of her email is I am being disrespectful of her and the Executive.
The comment in her initial email yesterday was why I waited till I did to tell them of the problem. There was no Thank you for telling us and no could you help us deal with this.
The fact was I didn’t learn of the problem till late the night before. I went to bed after midnight and woke around 9 AM yesterday.
I then went and did my personal things I had to do and then got back to work looking at this some more and drafting an email.
The email was sent at my earliest possible time.
Yes I took them to task about the problem because this isn’t the first time this has happened. This is the fourth time this has happened and the BCGA has not learned from the previous three times.

The situation here is the BCGA is being disrespectful of the membership for first making a web-page live when they had no idea of how the software they were using worked.
Then they tried to make “special” logins for the Executive which they tried to hide their info so it wouldn’t be seen by others. The problem was it still told one in the URL. This says to me that they didn’t want their information public so lets do it for ourselves and to the heck with the rest of the membership.
They got caught and now trying to make it look like it is my fault.

I made a point of telling them to take the live page down till they get all the problems sorted out. That didn’t happen because they know best.

In last nights post I said it will be interesting to see if the continued problems would be fixed this morning. The answer is no they are not fixed.

So who is being disrespectful?

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What is the BCGA Part 2

A few weeks back I asked on here what is the BCGA and got some interesting feedback.

One which is posted here is by the old webmaster himself. While I didn’t identify him he chose to do so himself.

I have had a conversation or two with Henry in the past about the web-page and while he admits he is not a HTML expert but a programmer for other computer languages. So Henry shouldn’t be charging full price if you are not qualified in it.
My thoughts on this have been for the last several years have been, when one is in over their head say something or ask for help. Henry didn’t do that.
Henry says “I have not ‘web mastered’ the site in 2 years.”. Really Henry did you not run the Election for the BCGA in the spring of 2014 or 2013? Sorry but that is within the two years.
So Henry here are the facts:
March 04 2013 the BCGA Executive authorized a payment to you for $303.78
September 23 2013 the BCGA Executive authorized payment to you for $731.25

Of the last amount above $157.50 was for the Election along with $45.00 for membership updates during the Election. Imagine what the cost would have been if you not given the BCGA a break? I have no idea what the membership updates were during the election. I am not sure why you were doing updates of members when the only thing you were to do was fix the voting modal if there was a problem. Look I can’t fault you for this but I fault the BCGA for not looking elsewhere.
A 3rd party voting company was around $120 when I last checked.

I suggested 3 years ago that we move to a different method by contracting to an outside company to cast the votes. This way is is fair and impartial. That was turned down because the Voting Module was considered better and cost less, I just proved above this wasn’t the case.
So Henry my head was not up my ass as you have suggested and yes I do know how to read a calendar. It would appear that you Henry don’t know how to read a calendar. So to help you understand this March 2013 would be 26 months and September 2013 would be 20 months. There are 24 months in 2 years and you said it was over 2 years ago. Does this help you now?
Oh yes by the way, you did declare this on your income tax as income didn’t you?

This brings me to the BCGA’s Newsletter yesterday. I have for three years been harping on the BCGA to go outside and use a 3rd party for voting. Yesterday the BCGA announced they have done just that with the addition of servers and the company located in Canada. This too has been a bug of mine since the USA Canned spam act of allowing the collection of information on USA based servers. It doesn’t matter where it comes from, if it is on a USA server it is fair game.
I congratulate the BCGA for taking this bold step.

It is funny how the BCGA has come around to some of my suggestions over the years.

Now I saw something that really puzzled me in yesterdays newsletter. I was looking at who is elected and not running and saw All That Glitters as a Director at large. No where on the BCGA could I find any mention of this in recent minutes nor a current list of who the Executives were. It was not till almost dinner before a post was made on the forums explaining there was a resignation and an appointment.
This should have been done prior to the news letter going out.

What I did notice in reading the many months of recent minutes there is not one report at the Executive Meetings from the Treasure. Why?

Now if the BCGA would only remove the the Drivers Licence requirement for membership this would be even better as the BC Privacy Act does not allow for this type of use.

Yesterday while doing research for the above I came upon a very troubling item with the new BCGA web-page. The new webmaster left many back doors open to the website including the ability to view the membership list to the forums which totals 5025 members.
I was able to see peoples caching names then their first and last names. This on the surface may not seam like much, but it is. The practice for registering on Forums goes back to to the start of newsgroups and forums where one uses a “screen name” to post under. This is done to stop harassment of people and to protect them.
The BCGA violated their own Privacy Policy by doing this and one can bet that even a apology will be issued.
I learned something else interesting that the BCGA Executives registered them selves differently than the rest of us on the site. I found a test membership that show they were playing around trying to hide their first/last names and just have their caching names appear. The problem with this was the webmaster did know exactly how to do this so the names of those he tried to change appeared in the URL line of the browser.
So the question is what makes the Executive so special?

I was searching on the BCGA site and it is so screwed up that I went to Google and did a search.
Let me explain how this works. Google and other search engines send out bots several times a day to search for new pages and changes and then list them on the search engine. Now there are ways to stop these bots from looking at your page by entering some code in the header to tell the bot what to do with that page. You can say no to the bot or not index links on the page to name a couple. If you do nothing then the bot defaults to look at everything.

One may not think this is a problem but here a scenario that I was made aware of today. A member registers on the site under their legal name with their geocaching name. Now they are known by a different name to the caching world to protect them selves from a past abusive relationship. Now the legal information gets snapped up and catalogued in Google. Google then marries the two names together because of the caching name. If that spouse ever does a Google search then that person has been outed.

Google provided me a link to an open directory on the BCGA site. I could see everything back to the start of the BCGA. The interesting part was being able to view files I am sure the BCGA didn’t want to be seen. What puzzles me is files that were typed one day and then back dated on the site itself. Why is this?
There is an easy way to close these directory folders and I have to say it was likely one of the first things I was taught when I built my first page.

This afternoon I sent an email to the BCGA advising them that there were problems. I advised them to take the site down and fix the problems and get the site done right before making it live again.

Early this evening I received an email from the BCGA and it said that the problems were fixed and they were not aware the membership list was view able. I was then scolded because I did not advise them earlier of this. Well I have a life and it took some time to draft the email to them to explain the problem.

Well I checked right after the email and some of the problems are not fixed.
The BCGA has locked everyone out from being able to change their personal information and how to subscribe to different things on the site. SO how do we do this now?
I had advised them not to bring the site back online till all was fixed, but hey they know best.
The BCGA has once again been advised that they still have problems.

As I told the Executive tonight sometimes they have to swallow some pride and admit they are in over their heads and ask for help.

Lets see if it is fixed by morning…

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What is the BCGA?

The question I have heard for the last year is what happened to the BC Geocaching Association (BCGA).

I have no idea I have told fellow cachers.

I suppose one has to ask are they even around anymore? I have had no email from the leadership saying otherwise, mind you I wouldn’t expect one either even though I am a member.

You know for an Association that says they represent Geocaching in BC one would be hard pressed to find out how.

Lets look back at the last year on some things. The Executive started cacher on the month but that lasted 3 months and was done.

The website is down for the count and no one can log in because the so called webmaster can’t fix the problems because the code is so out dated. What was he being paid for at the tune of over $1000 a year? I told them there was a problem some 3 years ago and they didn’t believe me then. They then left the backdoor to the email program open not once not twice but three times. It was then I sent an email to all members to not reply to anything because every member was getting a copy of their private information.
I was then suspended all be it temporarily from the site for this because they wouldn’t listen to my other two requests to fix this.
The BCGA has taken to sending out Spam in the form of emails for new cache listings in BC. These listings are often months old. There is also no way to get removed from the list because the web page is broken.

So exactly how many events have the BCGA held in the last year or so? I would say two (CITO’s maybe) because they have tagged onto the Metro Vancouver Geocachers group. I have seen no posting of minutes or anything else they have done. We have had one Director step down as well.

The BIG one is we have the 15th Anniversary of Geocaching coming up and there is NO event in BC hosted by the BCGA? What we get is an event hosted by Katcogo the President of the BCGA called Celebrating The Big Blue Switch.
When one reads the page it says towards the bottom “Rumour has it that there may be an announcement with some exciting news from the BC Geocaching Association”.
Really I hope this news is saying the BCGA is no more.
The announcement though should be sent to the membership prior to being announced at the event.
It says a lot when the BCGA can’t even host an event about Geocaching when they are the ones they think representing Geocaching in BC.

Lets also look at the mess the BCGA made with the Metro Vancouver Parks 500 m rule. There has been rumours that this was caused by myself and two other cachers because of a “so called power trail” we were putting in from Fort Langley to the Golden Ears Bridge. The truth is we could have placed well over 80+ caches along this route if we wanted but we didn’t. We had many things to consider like the problem on Vancouver Island for the Mega Event and puzzle solutions. It turns out that during correspondence with the BCGA and reviewer the number of caches over the distance worked out to 500m between caches on average. The BCGA thought this was a good number. I did get wind of this and sent a letter to the BCGA saying don’t use this number as there are many things that come into play. It was further stated that 500 m would pretty much kill caching in Metro Vancouver parks. I am guessing since April 01 2013 there has not been more than a handful of caches placed in parks because of this rule.
The BCGA soon found out how bad this rule was and did not and will not go and revisit it.

It is also interesting how the President shows up at the Metro Vancouver Geocachers Events to monitor what is going on and what is said. Really you are worried about this group? What you need to worry about is how to clean up your own house. Stop ordering coins you can not sell.

Now lets see if the announcement on Saturday is the BCGA turning the switch off, one can only hope. It would be interesting to see how many actual BCGA members are there.

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What are stats?

It has been a while since I last posted on here. It isn’t because I haven’t had nothing to say or no trips, far from it.

I run another site on cruising and that has been taking up my time. I have posted over there on two trips that I cached on.

You see I did a cruise last September from San Francisco to Sydney Australia for 24 days on the Celebrity Century.

This cruise allowed me to do the first cache placed in Hawaii on Oahu. This cache was not as easy but well worth the hike. This was followed up by a virtual called Wahine Hapai. This was special because it was Equinox and a special ceremony is held on that day.
You can read and see the photos on the Celebrity Century link above.
There was caching on Maui and Haleakala Volcano Earthcache. I mean it doesn’t get much better than this.

There was Bora Bora Tahiti and the shear beauty. The photos posted in the link above just don’t do it justice.

There was the arrival in Sydney and the caching around the harbour. Then there was the train trip up to a Lane Cove State Park to do Australia’s first cache called Lane Cove.

So we can discuss numbers, for me it isn’t amount of caches I have found but some of the unique places I have been. I have been lucky to travel around the world and cache in so many interesting places. For me it was 4 more countries and 1 more US State.

I no sooner returned from Australia and another great deal popped up where I could cruise around South America.

This cruise was a 14 Day cruise on Holland America’s Zaandam leaving Buenos Aries and arriving back in Santiago Chile.

There was some great caching in each and every port.

I said above about caching in Hawaii that it doesn’t get much better than this, I have to report I found a new high. We were off to do a cache on the Falkland Islands which required a 18.5 km hike. The cache was called The Narrows and it offered great views of the island. Now one should note that one doesn’t get to walk through a old mine field everyday and this was no exception.
Once we did the cache and left the area it was rounding the next corner that took us by surprise.

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How many times do you run into a Penguin while caching?

There was a stop that I was looking forward to and that was Ushuaia Argentina. This was the southern most part of South America at least by road. When I did the southern most cache here and I was walking back to the ship it dawned on me, I have also done the northern most cache in Canada in Inuvik, NWT and now done the southern most cache on the road in South America. Just how many people can say that?
This trip allowed me to cache in 4 more countries bringing my total to 32.

Yesterday I passed my 8 year anniversary of Geocaching and looking back on it I have had a lot of firsts or highlights. I have completed a country. I have cached as far north/south on the road in North and South America. I attended the first ET Highway event that started power trails. I can say this that I am not keen with these as they have changed the numbers.
So for me it is how you yourself look at the numbers. I have done 105 FTF’s in a day set a personal high of 479 caches in a day.
Really what it comes down to is the people I have met along the way and around the world and the places I have been and seen. Trust me being in Istanbul on Friday afternoon to look for a cache with your 18 year old daughter when the call to pray has just happened is exciting.(well maybe not for her) There was getting a cache and slipping on shale to avoid a rattle snake that required a trip to the ER and surgery later. There was the time I was busy taking a photo with one leg in the car and one out and resting on the door when the car started moving down hill slowly. It doesn’t help when the passenger takes it out of drive and into neutral and it starts to go faster. We called this almost being run over by my own car.

Geocaching is about the places one can go and visit and learn. Today we see the park and grabs that really are just about the numbers. When I first started if you got 10 -15 caches in a day you were doing great. I have heard it said that if I can’t do 25+ I am not going out. Maybe this is why puzzle caches are a thing of the past?

All this started because a friend who cached called Nevgar took me on a cache to show me. So it is his fault that got me doing this.

Oh Yes my caching name isn’t Philatsea for nothing……

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Ketchikan Alaska

Today was another great day for weather.

I have never seen Ketchikan with this few people because we are the only ship in port.

The plan was leave early and get the caches in the downtown core before it gets busy. The first stop was Bin Caching TB Hotel then off to Fish-On. I am glad there was no one here when I arrived as at the height of cruise season this one would be difficult to get. I have to say I liked this one as well.
from there I moved along the water front to the break water and did a cache where out on the tip called Well…Here I am! I was getting here that proved interesting as the local homeless use it to hang out on and one has to make their way over and around them.

Ketchikan

Ketchikan – I know no kidding…

Trail above the city

Trail above the city

City Park

City Park

Creek Street

Creek Street

Sailing from Ketchikan

Sailing from Ketchikan

sailing down the channel from Ketchikan

sailing down the channel from Ketchikan

Well...Here I am! cache is down there somewhere

Well…Here I am! cache is down there somewhere

It was a great few days caching while on this cruise. I cruise to cache because it takes me to places I would not cache otherwise. I get to go to places that almost all passengers don’t go. While this was the first time I have cruised carnival it wasn’t bad but I would prefer to cruise other lines. I think the purple dining room was just too much.

Purple?

Purple?

I did have 1 DNF here and while I was told by a passerby it was there in fact it was missing.

You can read my full Carnival Miracle Review

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Glacier Bay, Alaska

This morning we picked up the National Park Rangers at 0630 as we entered Glacier Bay.

It would be interesting to see if we would make it right to the end of Glacier Bay due to a large amount of ice still in the bay.

I would do 2 Earthcaches while we sailed in Glacier Bay.

I have been to Alaska 7 times before and today would mark the best day I have had for weather in Glacier Bay. It would reach about 17°C and clear. There was no wind as well which is rare for Glacier bay. The wind normally comes down from Grand Pacific Glacier and is cold.

Glacier Bay - Does it get any better than this?

Glacier Bay – Does it get any better than this?

Reid Glacier

Reid Glacier

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From here I gathered my information for John Hopkins Glacier Earthcache

Lamplugh Glacier

Lamplugh Glacier

Hanging Glacier

Hanging Glacier

Marjorie Glacier in the distance

Marjorie Glacier in the distance

Marjorie Glacier Calving

Marjorie Glacier Calving

Marjorie Glacier up close

Marjorie Glacier up close

Sailboat between us and Marjorie Glacier

Sailboat between us and Marjorie Glacier

Looking at Grand Pacific Glacier

Looking at Grand Pacific Glacier

This is where I did Margerie Glacier – Glacier Bay National Park Earthcache

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Grand Pacific Glacier - It has really receded since 2008

Grand Pacific Glacier – It has really receded since 2008 – note all the dirt

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Pilot Boat picking up Park Rangers

Pilot Boat picking up Park Rangers

While exiting Glacier Bay we were treated to many whales in the area.

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Leaving Glacier Bay

Leaving Glacier Bay

Tonight we were treated to a real treat, The Northern Lights appeared from about 2230 to 0230.
My photos didn’t turn out like the ones I am posting because I have a Cannon PHD camera (Push here Dummy).

Photo taken by Mr. Radu Carnival Cruises

Photo taken by Mr. Radu Carnival Cruises

Photo taken by Mr. Radu Carnival Cruises

Photo taken by Mr. Radu Carnival Cruises

I have to say this was a great day caching/cruising…..

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